[BitPim-devel] Looking for MM-7400 owners who can run BitPim from source

[Stephen Wood]

With the help of Dale Kirstien, I have made good progress towards
adding calendar support for the Sanyo MM-7400. Are there any MM-7400
owners who are already setup to run BitPim from source that could help
test out this calendar code?

Thanks, Stephen

[Robert Eden]

Post by Stephen Wood
With the help of Dale Kirstien, I have made good progress towards
adding calendar support for the Sanyo MM-7400. Are there any MM-7400
owners who are already setup to run BitPim from source that could
help test out this calendar code?

for some reason with this last update, my version stopped working.

(no module named "strings")

I'll let you know when I'm working again. I want to make a patch that
would allow downloading of recorded videos. I've done it manually
through brew mode, so it's no big deal.

Robert

[Stephen Wood]

Search for "no module named strings" in the bitpim-devel archives and
look at the posts from Jan 1.

http://search.gmane.org/search.php?query=No+module+named+strings&email=&group=gmane.comp.mobile.bitpim.devel&sort=date

Stephen

Post by Robert Eden

Post by Stephen Wood
With the help of Dale Kirstien, I have made good progress towards
adding calendar support for the Sanyo MM-7400. Are there any MM-7400
owners who are already setup to run BitPim from source that could
help test out this calendar code?

for some reason with this last update, my version stopped working.
(no module named "strings")
I'll let you know when I'm working again. I want to make a patch that
would allow downloading of recorded videos. I've done it manually
through brew mode, so it's no big deal.
Robert

[Stephen Wood]

Robert:

It sounds like you have BITPIM running from CVS again.

Could you try reading the calendar from your 7400 again. Make sure
you have both events and call alarms.

What will hopefully happen is that all the events will be read, but it
will probably crash on the call alarms. If you can send or post the
last few packets from the protocol log then I can probably figure out
the new format.

Stephen

[Stephen Wood]

...

I'll CC you in case the attachment doesn't make it to the list. The
phone returned a lot of large (mostly zero) packets.

Do the calendar events look like you expect when look in the calendar tab.

It looks like the format of the call alarm entries has indeed changed
from earlier models. I'll work on that tonight.

Now for the cost.... :)
I'm would like to get video's out of the phone. I initially thought all
that was needed was to add the file extention (.3g2) to the list of
wallpapers in COM_SANYOMEDIA. That didn't work. :(
I can see (and download) the files in brew mode
/data/brew/camera/videos/#/filename.3g2

Are the videos directly viewable with common media viewers?

I looked at the code trying to figure it out... I'm beginning to think
you don't get the wallpapers using brew mode, but some other method.

For all the previous Sanyo's, wallpaper, ringers and videos (SCP-5500)
did not appear in the regular file system (brew mode). They are in a
kind of special limited file system. It looks like for the 7400 some
of these files are accessible through both kinds of file system. If
you had videos on your phone at the time you made the protocol dump
you sent, then we can conclude that videos are not in this special
file system. (Thus your COM_SANYOMEDIA trick didn't work).

Reading the videos through the regular (brew) filesystem should be
pretty straightforward. If you can either send me a zip of your who
filesystem (I don't recommend posting this) or at least a full listing
of the filesystem directory structure, I can put together something to
read the videos which you will probably need to debug.

Thanks for the help with the calendar, Stephen

[Adam]

Post by Stephen Wood
...

I'll CC you in case the attachment doesn't make it to the list. The
phone returned a lot of large (mostly zero) packets.

Do the calendar events look like you expect when look in the calendar tab.
It looks like the format of the call alarm entries has indeed changed
from earlier models. I'll work on that tonight.

Now for the cost.... :)
I'm would like to get video's out of the phone. I initially thought all
that was needed was to add the file extention (.3g2) to the list of
wallpapers in COM_SANYOMEDIA. That didn't work. :(
I can see (and download) the files in brew mode
/data/brew/camera/videos/#/filename.3g2

Are the videos directly viewable with common media viewers?

I looked at the code trying to figure it out... I'm beginning to think
you don't get the wallpapers using brew mode, but some other method.

For all the previous Sanyo's, wallpaper, ringers and videos (SCP-5500)
did not appear in the regular file system (brew mode). They are in a
kind of special limited file system. It looks like for the 7400 some
of these files are accessible through both kinds of file system. If
you had videos on your phone at the time you made the protocol dump
you sent, then we can conclude that videos are not in this special
file system. (Thus your COM_SANYOMEDIA trick didn't work).
Reading the videos through the regular (brew) filesystem should be
pretty straightforward. If you can either send me a zip of your who
filesystem (I don't recommend posting this) or at least a full listing
of the filesystem directory structure, I can put together something to
read the videos which you will probably need to debug.
Thanks for the help with the calendar, Stephen
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The videos are in Data/brew/camera/videos. WIthin the videos
directory each video is stored in a 5 digit number directory (00002,
00003, etc) In that directory, there are 2 files. One is a 3g2 file
(the video) and the other is a jpg screenshot of the first frame of
the video. If the video is gd10feb2005-001.3g2, the image is
gd10feb2005-001-lcd.jpg . Hope this helps.

[Stephen Wood]

Search for "no module named strings" in the bitpim-devel archives and
look at the posts from Jan 1.

http://search.gmane.org/search.php?query=No+module+named+strings&email=&group=gmane.comp.mobile.bitpim.devel&sort=date

Stephen

Post by Robert Eden

Post by Stephen Wood
With the help of Dale Kirstien, I have made good progress towards
adding calendar support for the Sanyo MM-7400. Are there any MM-7400
owners who are already setup to run BitPim from source that could
help test out this calendar code?

for some reason with this last update, my version stopped working.
(no module named "strings")
I'll let you know when I'm working again. I want to make a patch that
would allow downloading of recorded videos. I've done it manually
through brew mode, so it's no big deal.
Robert

[Robert Eden]

I'm trying to build strings so I can have a working source copy.

1. The docs talk about a Python strings implementation if the C code
isn't compiled. That doesn't seem to work for me.

2. When compiling using MingW, I get the following errors:
(reformatted)

C:\python.exe setup.py build_ext --compiler=mingw32
running build_ext
building 'jarow' extension
writing build\temp.win32-2.3\Release\jarow.def
c:\MinGW\bin\gcc.exe -mno-cygwin -shared \
-s build\temp.win32-2.3\Release\jarow.o
build\temp.win32-2.3\Release\jarow.def
-LC:\Python23\libs
-LC:\Python23\PCBuild
-lpython23
-o build\lib.win32-2.3\jarow.pyd

build\temp.win32-2.3\Release\jarow.o(.text+0x7d0):\
jarow.c: undefined reference t_imp__PyString_Type'

build\temp.win32-2.3\Release\jarow.o(.text+0x7de):\
jarow.c: undefined reference t_imp__PyString_Type'

3. Does this require Microsoft's C compiler?
(and an old version at that)

C:\python.exe setup.py install
running install
running build
running build_ext
error: Python was built with version 6 of Visual Studio, and extensions
need to be built with the same version of the compiler, but it isn't
installed.

Maybe the binary of the needed files can be put in CVS or a separate
distribution?

Robert

[Roger Binns]

Post by Robert Eden
1. The docs talk about a Python strings implementation if the C code
isn't compiled. That doesn't seem to work for me.

And how did you come to that conclusion? It works perfectly for
everyone else. Also the Python version was the first version
written. The C code is a human translation of the Python code
into C.

Post by Robert Eden
C:\python.exe setup.py build_ext --compiler=mingw32

You don't build it that way. Just use

python setup.py build --compiler=mingw32

Then copy the built pyd into the strings directory.

Post by Robert Eden
3. Does this require Microsoft's C compiler?
(and an old version at that)

Nope. I don't even have VC++. Python 2.3 is built using
VC6 and hence you need a VC6 compatible compiler such as
MinGW. Python 2.4 is built using VC7 and you need a compatible
compiler for 2.4 extensions.

Post by Robert Eden
Maybe the binary of the needed files can be put in CVS or a separate
distribution?

There is absolutely no need. The only people who need the binary
version are the 2 of us who make the final distributables. Everyone
else doesn't need to do anything. The only drawback is that the
Python version is slower than the C version (it also uses more
memory). And that is only going to be noticable when you are
importing thousands of entries with thousands of columns against
a similar sized existing information (this happens if you use
the test data generator for example).

Roger

[Robert Eden]

Post by Roger Binns

Post by Robert Eden
1. The docs talk about a Python strings implementation if the C code
isn't compiled. That doesn't seem to work for me.

And how did you come to that conclusion? It works perfectly for
everyone else.

Sorry, you're right... I didn't try the native python again after the
"cvs update -dP".

Post by Roger Binns
You don't build it that way. Just use
python setup.py build --compiler=mingw32

I did it that way first, same error.
(undefined reference to `_imp__PyString_Type')

I know with Perl it's very difficult to build compiled modules on
windows without an old Microsoft compiler. I'm glad python works better.

The slow version is probably good enough for what I need to do to help.
(MM 7400 tweaks).

Robert

[Roger Binns]

Post by Robert Eden

Post by Roger Binns
You don't build it that way. Just use
python setup.py build --compiler=mingw32

I did it that way first, same error.
(undefined reference to `_imp__PyString_Type')

That is because you don't have the import libraries. Go into
the native/usb directory and run build.bat. It first builds
the import libraries for Python 2.3 and then tries to build
the USB stuff. Don't worry about the USb stuff not building
(it is almost totally worthless on Windws anyway).

Post by Robert Eden
I know with Perl it's very difficult to build compiled modules on
windows without an old Microsoft compiler. I'm glad python works better.

The issue isn't the compiler as such, but which C/runtime library
it links to. The Windows dynamic linking mechanism is different
than other platforms. Additionally all the compilers and linkers
use a different format for how libraries and how those libraries
specify symbols that are in DLLs. Getting all that right isn't
a big deal (MinGW does it), but the actual documentation is
scattered all over the place.

Roger

[The Doctor]

Hi all,

As I mentioned in an earlier note, I get a diagnostic EVERY time I try
to write the Phonebook to my VGA1000. I thought it might be related
my my hardware, so I installed to a new Windows System and got an
identical diagnostic. The Modem driver is named "SAMSUNG CDMA Modem"
dated 7/23/2002 Version 3.34.0.2700. Same numbers for the USB driver.

On the new system, I first did a Get Phone Data ( only for the
phonebook), followed by a Send Phone Data. A Dialog Window appears
entitled "Device needs attention - SPH-A620 on COM3" with msg text of
"SPH-A620 on COM3: The phone is not responding while manipulating the
phonebook.". It does write some entries, but not all. See the log
below. According to that log the entry for John Fitzger ( entry #57)
was read but not written, yet, after the aborted write, my phone still
has that entry present.

16:51:54.015 COM3: Opening port COM3, 115200 baud, timeout 3.000000,
hardwareflow 0, softwareflow 0
16:51:54.015 COM3: Open of comm port suceeded
16:51:54.015 SPH-A620: Retrieving fundamental phone information
16:51:54.030 SPH-A620: Phone serial number
16:51:54.030 SPH-A620: _setmodemodem
16:51:54.125 SPH-A620: Now in modem mode
16:51:54.125 SPH-A620: Reading group information
16:51:54.125 SPH-A620: _setmodemodemtophonebook
16:51:54.125 SPH-A620: Switching from modem to phonebook
16:51:54.125 SPH-A620: Now in phonebook mode
16:51:54.171 SPH-A620: Fundamentals retrieved
16:51:54.890 SPH-A620: 1: Michael
16:51:54.905 SPH-A620: 2: Penny
16:51:54.921 SPH-A620: 3: Home Line1
16:51:54.937 SPH-A620: 4: Home Line2
16:51:54.983 SPH-A620: 5: Jake
16:51:55.000 SPH-A620: 6: Stella
16:51:55.015 SPH-A620: 7: Linda
16:51:55.030 SPH-A620: 8: Michael
16:51:55.046 SPH-A620: 9: Larry Bell
16:51:55.062 SPH-A620: 10: Laurie Bell
16:51:55.078 SPH-A620: 11: Tom Stein
16:51:55.092 SPH-A620: 12: David Leibowitz
16:51:55.108 SPH-A620: 13: Jill Halpern
16:51:55.125 SPH-A620: 14: Ron Bay
16:51:55.140 SPH-A620: 15: Ed Spire
16:51:55.155 SPH-A620: 16: Dad
16:51:55.171 SPH-A620: 17: Dr. Balabanov
16:51:55.187 SPH-A620: 18: Dave Weber
16:51:55.203 SPH-A620: 19: Darline Scott
16:51:55.217 SPH-A620: 20: Matt
16:51:55.233 SPH-A620: 21: Vince
16:51:55.280 SPH-A620: 22: Terry
16:51:55.296 SPH-A620: 23: Allan Bernstein
16:51:55.312 SPH-A620: 24: Gabe
16:51:55.328 SPH-A620: 25: Saydak,Paul
16:51:55.342 SPH-A620: 26: Sue Kozin
16:51:55.358 SPH-A620: 27: Brian Kozin
16:51:55.375 SPH-A620: 28: AAA
16:51:55.375 SPH-A620: 29: Matt
16:51:55.405 SPH-A620: 30: Stella
16:51:55.421 SPH-A620: 31: Stella
16:51:55.437 SPH-A620: 32: Kenan Heise
16:51:55.453 SPH-A620: 33: Michael
16:51:55.467 SPH-A620: 34: Peter Steinberg
16:51:55.483 SPH-A620: 35: Tony Smith
16:51:55.483 SPH-A620: 36: Jake
16:51:55.500 SPH-A620: 37: Sandy Gordan
16:51:55.530 SPH-A620: 38: Darline Scot
16:51:55.530 SPH-A620: 39: Jill Hurwitz
16:51:55.578 SPH-A620: 40: Linda
16:51:55.592 SPH-A620: 41: Vincent Rest
16:51:55.608 SPH-A620: 42: Peter Yam
16:51:55.625 SPH-A620: 43: Lesley Kozin
16:51:55.640 SPH-A620: 44: Dan Matthews
16:51:55.655 SPH-A620: 45: Happy Smith
16:51:55.671 SPH-A620: 46: Monica Wood
16:51:55.687 SPH-A620: 47: Erica Chapet
16:51:55.703 SPH-A620: 48: David Garber
16:51:55.717 SPH-A620: 49: Brian Gill
16:51:55.733 SPH-A620: 50: Scott Friedman
16:51:55.750 SPH-A620: 51: Alan Goldberg
16:51:55.765 SPH-A620: 52: DOC
16:51:55.780 SPH-A620: 53: Tony Smith
16:51:55.796 SPH-A620: 54: Matt
16:51:55.812 SPH-A620: 55: Ben Melnick
16:51:55.828 SPH-A620: 56: HP Police
16:51:55.842 SPH-A620: 57: John FitzGer
16:51:55.875 SPH-A620: 58: Greg Allman
16:51:55.890 SPH-A620: 59: Home Line1
16:51:55.905 SPH-A620: 60: Joel Hurwitz
16:51:55.921 SPH-A620: 61: Art Thieme
16:51:55.937 SPH-A620: 62: Debbie Juszc
16:51:55.953 SPH-A620: 63: Evan Shlaes
16:51:55.967 SPH-A620: 64: Home Line2
16:51:55.983 SPH-A620: 65: Kenan Heise
16:51:56.000 SPH-A620: 66: Jordan Halpe
16:51:56.015 SPH-A620: 67: Mary Falkenr
16:51:56.030 SPH-A620: 68: The WrkGrp
16:51:56.046 SPH-A620: 69: MomNDad
16:51:56.062 SPH-A620: 70: David Fencl
16:51:56.078 SPH-A620: 71: Terry Ralaba
16:51:56.092 SPH-A620: 72: Happy Smith
16:51:56.108 SPH-A620: 73: Jill Halpern
16:51:56.125 SPH-A620: 74: Tom A Stein
16:51:56.140 SPH-A620: 75: Michael DeAn
16:51:56.187 SPH-A620: 76: Warren Weiss
16:51:56.203 SPH-A620: 77: Ed Spire
16:51:56.217 SPH-A620: 78: MomNDad
16:51:56.233 SPH-A620: 79: Stephen Joyce
16:51:56.250 SPH-A620: 80: Tricia Cohen
16:51:56.265 SPH-A620: 81: Cheryl Steiger
16:51:56.280 SPH-A620: 82: David Garber
16:51:56.296 SPH-A620: 83: Peter Steinb
16:51:56.312 SPH-A620: 84: Michael O'Toole
16:51:56.328 SPH-A620: 85: Lee Ruttenberg
16:51:56.342 SPH-A620: 86: Joel Sanders
16:51:56.358 SPH-A620: 87: Jim Elliott
16:51:56.375 SPH-A620: 88: Neil Milsted
16:51:56.390 SPH-A620: 89: Sandy Gordan
16:51:58.092 ['phonebook', 'categories', 'uniqueserial', 'groups', 'sync']
16:51:58.092 {'phonebook': 'OVERWRITE'}
16:53:11.453 SPH-A620: Retrieving fundamental phone information
16:53:11.453 SPH-A620: Phone serial number
16:53:11.453 SPH-A620: _setmodephonebooktomodem
16:53:11.453 SPH-A620: Switching from phonebook to modem
16:53:11.453 SPH-A620: Now in modem mode
16:53:11.467 SPH-A620: Reading group information
16:53:11.467 SPH-A620: _setmodemodemtophonebook
16:53:11.467 SPH-A620: Switching from modem to phonebook
16:53:11.467 SPH-A620: Now in phonebook mode
16:53:11.546 SPH-A620: Fundamentals retrieved
16:53:11.608 SPH-A620: Writing entry 1 - Michael
16:53:12.000 SPH-A620: Writing entry 2 - Penny
16:53:12.562 SPH-A620: Writing entry 3 - Home Line1
16:53:13.046 SPH-A620: Writing entry 4 - Home Line2
16:53:13.530 SPH-A620: Writing entry 5 - Jake
16:53:14.092 SPH-A620: Writing entry 6 - Stella
16:53:15.108 SPH-A620: Writing entry 7 - Linda
16:53:16.155 SPH-A620: Writing entry 8 - Michael
16:53:16.671 SPH-A620: Writing entry 9 - Larry Bell
16:53:17.155 SPH-A620: Writing entry 10 - Laurie Bell
16:53:17.655 SPH-A620: Writing entry 11 - Tom Stein
16:53:18.217 SPH-A620: Writing entry 12 - David Leibowitz
16:53:19.250 SPH-A620: Writing entry 13 - Jill Halpern
16:53:20.358 SPH-A620: Writing entry 14 - Ron Bay
16:53:20.765 SPH-A620: Writing entry 15 - Ed Spire
16:53:21.296 SPH-A620: Writing entry 16 - Dad
16:53:21.750 SPH-A620: Writing entry 17 - Dr. Balabanov
16:53:22.203 SPH-A620: Writing entry 18 - Dave Weber
16:53:22.765 SPH-A620: Writing entry 19 - Darline Scott
16:53:23.280 SPH-A620: Writing entry 20 - Matt
16:53:23.780 SPH-A620: Writing entry 21 - Vince
16:53:24.203 SPH-A620: Writing entry 22 - Terry
16:53:24.608 SPH-A620: Writing entry 23 - Allan Bernstein
16:53:25.390 SPH-A620: Writing entry 24 - Gabe
16:53:26.342 SPH-A620: Writing entry 25 - Saydak,Paul
16:53:26.750 SPH-A620: Writing entry 26 - Sue Kozin
16:53:27.280 SPH-A620: Writing entry 27 - Brian Kozin
16:53:28.140 SPH-A620: Writing entry 28 - AAA
16:53:29.078 SPH-A620: Writing entry 29 - Matt
16:53:29.562 SPH-A620: Writing entry 30 - Stella
16:53:30.108 SPH-A620: Writing entry 31 - Stella
16:53:30.687 SPH-A620: Writing entry 32 - Kenan Heise
16:53:31.578 SPH-A620: Writing entry 33 - Michael
16:53:32.608 SPH-A620: Writing entry 34 - Peter Steinberg
16:53:33.140 SPH-A620: Writing entry 35 - Tony Smith
16:53:33.625 SPH-A620: Writing entry 36 - Jake
16:53:34.187 SPH-A620: Writing entry 37 - Sandy Gordan
16:53:34.608 SPH-A620: Writing entry 38 - Darline Scot
16:53:35.155 SPH-A620: Writing entry 39 - Jill Hurwitz
16:53:35.687 SPH-A620: Writing entry 41 - Vincent Rest
16:53:36.187 SPH-A620: Writing entry 42 - Peter Yam
16:53:36.687 SPH-A620: Writing entry 43 - Lesley Kozin
16:53:37.217 SPH-A620: Writing entry 44 - Dan Matthews
16:53:37.796 SPH-A620: Writing entry 45 - Happy Smith
16:53:39.483 SPH-A620: Writing entry 47 - Erica Chapet
16:53:40.625 SPH-A620: Writing entry 48 - David Garber
16:53:41.155 SPH-A620: Writing entry 49 - Brian Gill
16:53:41.312 Error: Device needs attention - SPH-A620 on COM3
SPH-A620 on COM3: The phone is not responding while manipulating the phonebook.
See the help for troubleshooting tips

[Stephen Wood]

There is something different about either entry 49 or 50 that is
crashing the code. It's probably not a problem with your entries or
phone, just something not dealt with properly in the code. Either see
if you can figure out what is special out entry 49 or 50, or send me
(privately) your bitpim.db file so that I can try writing your
phonebook to my VGA1000.

Stephen

Post by The Doctor
Hi all,
As I mentioned in an earlier note, I get a diagnostic EVERY time I try
to write the Phonebook to my VGA1000. I thought it might be related
my my hardware, so I installed to a new Windows System and got an
identical diagnostic. The Modem driver is named "SAMSUNG CDMA Modem"
dated 7/23/2002 Version 3.34.0.2700. Same numbers for the USB driver.

[Robert Eden]

Everything is working, thanks. Summary for the archives.

Post by Robert Eden
1. The docs talk about a Python strings implementation if the C code
isn't compiled. That doesn't seem to work for me.

This was caused by not have having "-bP" on a "cvs update". (I started
working on the C code and didn't try native mode again.
Install MINGW

execute native\usb\build.bat ( you want the dlltool, don't worry about
the errors, that's for special USB code )

execute native\strings\setup.py build --compiler=mingw32

copy native\strings\build\lib.win32-2.3\jarow.pyd to native\strings\

Robert

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[Robert Eden]

yup.. it didn't like the zip.. here's the text for everyone else.
(next time I'll rename .zip to .zzz) I'm sure you got the zip via the
CC>

Post by Stephen Wood
It sounds like you have BITPIM running from CVS again.

yup

Post by Stephen Wood
Could you try reading the calendar from your 7400 again. Make sure
you have both events and call alarms.

no prob, it's gonna cost ya though. My events are old (I think a few
weeks) btw.
I'll CC you in case the attachment doesn't make it to the list. The
phone returned a lot of large (mostly zero) packets.
Now for the cost.... :)
I'm would like to get video's out of the phone. I initially thought
all
that was needed was to add the file extention (.3g2) to the list of
wallpapers in COM_SANYOMEDIA. That didn't work. :(
I can see (and download) the files in brew mode
/data/brew/camera/videos/#/filename.3g2
I looked at the code trying to figure it out... I'm beginning to
think
you don't get the wallpapers using brew mode, but some other method.
Robert
ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-zip-compressed name=7400_cal.zip

[Robert Eden]

Post by Stephen Wood
Do the calendar events look like you expect when look in the calendar
tab.

I don't see any! It turns out I only had call alarm entries. I just
added an entry for Valenties Day.. (not a Holiday, an event). I tried
importing it and it didn't work. I'll send the new trace out of band.
I do see the text in the dump.

Post by Stephen Wood

I can see (and download) the files in brew mode
/data/brew/camera/videos/#/filename.3g2

Are the videos directly viewable with common media viewers?

yes, with Quicktime.

Post by Stephen Wood
Thanks for the help with the calendar, Stephen

Thanks for all your work! (for a phone you don't even use!) Sorry I'm
not up to speed to help more (yet).

Feel free to use some of my free stuff.
http://xmltv.org tv_check and tv_grab_na_dd are mine, as well as a few
Perl modules/scripts on CPAN :)

Robert

[Stephen Wood]

Post by Robert Eden

Post by Stephen Wood
Do the calendar events look like you expect when look in the calendar tab.

I don't see any! It turns out I only had call alarm entries. I just
added an entry for Valenties Day.. (not a Holiday, an event). I tried
importing it and it didn't work. I'll send the new trace out of band.
I do see the text in the dump.

Actually you had a "Birthday" event in the first dump. But the
assumption I made about a flag word that indicates whether an event
slot is in use or not is incorrect. I'll find another way.

Stephen